It’s been great, mech mods, but it’s time to say goodbye

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It’s been great, mech mods, but it’s time to say goodbye

A couple of years ago you’d rarely see me without one of my FastTech Nemesis clones in my hand. Mech mods were basically all I used; none of the regulated devices on the market at the time could deliver the power I liked or handle the coils I was building. My first mech was a K-100, one of those odd little telescopic things that cost hardly anything but nevertheless worked surprisingly well. Then I bought my first Nemesis clone, and soon I had three of them. I thought they were great, and I would have been lost without them. So would many others; mech mods played an important role in the development of vaping, showing that it was possible to do a lot better than the wispy clouds that emerged from the early cigalikes.

But now it’s time for them to fade into the sunset. There is no place for mech mods any more, and I’d be much happier if they all disappeared from the shelves tomorrow.

If you read my blogs regularly you’ll know that I am not, in general, a fan of restricting consumer choices. In an ideal world I’d much rather leave people to make their own decisions instead of being coerced into making the officially approved one – you know, what public health usually refer to as “supporting healthier choices” when they really mean punishing choices they don’t like. I don’t regret buying any of my mech mods and, although I haven’t used one since early 2015, I remember them fondly. Sadly, because this is not an ideal world, they’ve now become a massive liability.

Safety is relative

Mech mods are not, in the big scheme of things, dangerous. You’re far less likely to be injured by your mech mod than you are by your car, bread knife or Galaxy Note 7. Unfortunately the media don’t care about traffic accidents, kitchen utensils or phones. They do care about e-cigarettes. And that means every time a mech mod goes badly wrong it’s going to get global press coverage. Even more unfortunately, while mechs are safer than many objects we cheerfully surround ourselves with on a daily basis they’re a lot less safe than any other variety of e-cig – and those with hybrid connectors are the least safe of all.

In expert hands a mech is pretty safe. If you understand battery safety, follow sensible precautions when building coils and keep in mind that Ohm’s Law is a law not a guideline, the chances of a battery explosion are minimal. The problem is that if you don’t know what you’re doing it becomes a lot easier to screw up, overload your battery and send it into thermal runaway – and, while I know some of you are going to hate me for saying this, if you’re running sub-0.1Ω builds on a mech you don’t know what you’re doing. That sort of setup is just tiny fractions of an ohm away from a hard short and, no matter how careful you think you’re being, it’s going to put immense stress on your battery. The problem is that, if you push the battery past its limits, the average mech mod is a uniquely unfortunate shape. It’s basically a metal tube with screw-in end caps, and with a battery venting inside it something – probably the bottom end cap – is almost certainly going to fail. When that happens a very large volume of hot gas will rush out of the opening, Ohm’s Law is replaced by Newton’s, and the tube becomes a rocket. That sucks for the user, because more likely than not it’s a rocket that’s pointing right at his face.

No responsible vaper is going to deny that using a mech mod with an ultra-low resistance build carries a degree of risk. What benefits does the vaper get in return for this risk? Zero. Absolutely nothing. A mech can do nothing that a modern regulated mod can’t. Mech mods became popular because their lack of circuits let them bypass the serious power limits that held back early electronic cigarettes; at a time when a top of the line variable power mod wouldn’t fire below 1Ω and had a maximum power output of 12W, mechs were the only game in town for serious vapers. But now they’re simply outclassed. Vape shops are full of affordable mods that will fire at 0.05Ω and put out 100W – and they’ll do that all day with basically zero chance of blowing up. They have an extensive range of built-in safety features that intercept any danger before the battery starts cooking, and they also deliver a more consistent vape.

A dangerous fashion

Unfortunately, mechs remain fashionable among a small minority of vapers. Vaping was invented as an alternative to smoking and that’s still how most of us see it; almost all the vapers I know fall into that category and I can’t think of a single one who still regularly uses a mech. We’ve all enthusiastically adopted the new generation of powerful regulated mods, because as well as being infinitely safer they’re also just better in every conceivable way. Mainstream vapers are not at risk of blowing themselves up, unless they do stupid stuff like carry loose batteries in their pocket – and if anyone insists on doing that then I, for one, am happy to let Darwin claim another slightly charred victim.

No, the problem is the people who vape so they can blow clouds or do tricks. If somebody just wants to see how much liquid they can waste, or suck vapour into their own ears, that’s fine; I’m a libertarian and have no interest in stopping them. I only wish they didn’t tend to be such immature dicks – and I especially wish that an obsession with mech mods wasn’t a major part of their dickishness. For example I’ve just watched a video by a certain well-known vaper who demonstrated his 0.09Ω build on a mech, and this cretin has admirers. There are people out there who watch all his videos and take his advice. Do not take his advice. He is a clown, and no matter how expert he sounds, the builds he is demonstrating are not safe.

I have no idea why these vapers still like mechs so much. There seems to be a myth that they deliver “raw power”, but power is not steak. It doesn’t come in well done, medium rare and raw. It’s just power, and a mech can’t deliver anywhere close to as much as a modern regulated mod can. The YouTube idiot’s 0.09Ω build, pushing a top of the line battery right to its safe discharge limit, would result in around 75 watts of power at the coil. My Wismec RX200 will punch out over three times that in perfect safety, and you can pick one up from FastTech for $40.

If idiots want to blow themselves up I don’t particularly care. The world is not short of idiots, so the occasional self-immolation of one is no great loss. What I do care about is that their immaturity and dangerous antics are threatening to bring down even harsher regulations on the rest of us. There was a news story two days ago about an Andrew Hall of Pocatello, Idaho, who managed to blow out nine of his own teeth with – you guessed it – a mech mod. Images of its blackened wreckage show that it was a hybrid, and there are unconfirmed reports that he was running a 0.06Ω build on it. There is no 18650 battery on the market that can safely handle the sort of stress a build like that imposes, so if you build this low an explosion is basically just a matter of time. Maybe you think your extreme build is an exception because you know what you’re doing. Trust me; no you don’t. I’m sure the luckless Mr Hall will insist that he knew what he was doing, but clearly he didn’t because he blew his fucking teeth out.

Obviously we can say that this is not a problem with e-cigs; it’s a problem with people who mess with things they don’t understand. Unfortunately that’s irrelevant. The media don’t know that this is only an issue with obsolete technology; I watched a news report about Andrew Hall that used an image of an eVic VTC – a regulated, safe mod – as the backdrop. The audience don’t know it either. And our loyal friends and allies in public health either don’t know it, or they know it but they don’t care. To them it’s just another excuse to demonise e-cigarettes and the people who use them.

Tough decisions

At this point so many idiots have blown themselves up, and generated so much bad publicity in the process, that if governments around the world decided to ban mech mods I wouldn’t raise more than a token protest. But that’s not going to happen. What might happen is that they ban all mods, because they can’t or won’t make a distinction between the safe modern ones and the potentially dangerous old junk. And that – the risk of known hazards with obsolete devices being used as an excuse for another crackdown – is why I now wish that mech mods would just quietly disappear.

So what’s to be done? What I’d like to be done is for manufacturers to realise that mech mods are a solution to a problem that just doesn’t exist any more, and to stop making them. I’d like vendors to realise that the small margin they make on some overpriced tube isn’t worth said tube’s potential to blow up a toddler and get the whole industry shut down. But, right now, I don’t think that’s very realistic. So instead I’m going to ask brick and mortar vendors to be very, very careful about who they sell mechs to. If someone comes in looking for their first e-cig and wants to buy a mech, don’t sell them one. Explain to them that regulated mods are a superior, and safer, alternative. If they insist, don’t give in; better to lose one sale than your business. In fact, any time somebody asks for a mech ask them why they want it. If the answer is “To chuck some sick cloudz,” tell them no. A regulated mod is better for that, too.

If they can convince you that a mech might be right for them – and I can’t honestly think of any reason why it might be, but never mind – quiz them on their electrical knowledge to make sure they can use it safely. If they say, “What’s Ohm’s Law?” don’t sell them the mod. If they don’t buy an appropriate battery along with it, or physically show you a suitable one they already own, don’t sell them the mod. I know this is hard advice for a small business to follow; I make my living by selling things too, and it’s painful to turn a customer away, but it is unconscionable to put a mech mod in the hands of someone who doesn’t know how to use it.

As for online vendors, please just stop selling the damn things. You can’t vet the buyers and it simply isn’t worth the risk. Despite the growing scientific consensus that vaping really is a safer alternative to smoking, the regulatory threats against us just keep growing. Handing our opponents the ammunition to shoot us down with is bad enough; every time you sell a mech mod, you’re potentially handing them a grenade.

  • Keith Hunt

    Totally agree…. there’s just no place for mechs in today’s vaping landscape. They’ve been outclassed, overshadowed and overpowered by almost all of the regulated mods now available on the market and personally, i’d much rather have new vapers not exposed to the possibility of mechs at all. It’s much like vaping itself….. why use something that could potentially harm you when much safer options exist…?

  • Jon

    Well said Fergus.
    It’s high time that mechs and hybrids slipped quietly by the wayside.
    I can add nothing to what you have written- bar my complete agreement.

    • Ric Grove

      That’s not going to happen all the time responsible people want them.

      • Neil Robinson

        Responsible people will know where to get them – in the same places as always, on lists and via F5 wars on manufacturers webpages. They dont need to be, and should not be sold in high street stores to any mug who walks through the door. They never were intended to be a mass market item, so let them stay a minority interest.

  • vereybowring

    Excellent points and vendors do indeed need to be thinking long term with their heads not their hearts (or short term profits). I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve talked (and yes ranted) about battery and mech safety. My personal bugbear being even experienced know it all mech users think they are safe and know everything they need to. Of course since physics and chemistry don’t give a shit about what you know they are stressing batteries way beyond safe use and trusting paper calculations and/or meters that just aren’t up to the extremes they are torturing. ” I copied that other guys build exactly so it will be fine.” or “Xxxx says this battery is fine to fire at 0.0X ohms so it must be fine.” Error, user is a mobile accident waiting to happen. If you don’t have quite extensive physics knowledge (ohms law aint the only thing to look at when you go really low in ohms) coupled with really good quality testing equipment (costing way more than even your cute little metal tube) then you’re an idiot who may lose face at any time.

  • Chris

    I never sold mech mods or rebuildable atomizers at my shop. Too much potential for liability.

    • Thomas Kirsop

      Ditto on the mech mods, we do however sell RBA’s

    • Jani Tiainen

      Any device with 18xxx or 26xxx batteries can potentially cause damage if handled wrong. I suppose you don’t sell any cells either?

      Cells, mainly 18650 cells were never intended to be used with vaporizers. Sony has a public document about it.

      • Beany

        That any device with an 18650/26650/etc can go wrong is true.

        However, with mechs, the chances of that occuring are significantly higher, to the extent that almost every battery related incident you see in the press either involves:
        Naked 18560s in with change (something more likely with a mech, as you tend to *have* to carry spare cells)
        A badly set up mech mod.

        You very, very rarely see ( as in, I can’t remember the last time I saw a report of one) an 18650/26650 regulated mod go pop.

        • Ric Grove

          it’s only significantly higher if people don’t use them right. Same as anything

          • Fergus Mason

            It *is* significantly higher though. We need to deal with the real world here, and in the real world mechs are generating a lot of bad publicity in exchange for not very much. Unless we as a community show that we can police ourselves we will get policed by others, and they won’t stop at mechs.

          • Ric Grove

            No. The media are generating alot of bad publicity. How many mechs have you actually heard of exploding? You can’t make people use batteries properly. There are just as many people had problems with regualtaed devices.

          • Fergus Mason

            Every news story I have seen that involved an actual device exploding involved a mech. Living in denial is not helping.

          • Ric Grove

            Well I’ve seen just as many with regulated devices too.

          • Ric Grove

            How many news stories have you actually seen? A handful? Give me a rough number. In all these years just a few people have had problems with batteries. The media whip up a storm. You are follwoing suit with articles like this.

          • Ric Grove

            And whats more worrying is you and your group think you are representing vapers. You are pussying around thinking you know what’s right and whats wrong when in fact you don’t seem to have any clue. You are acting cowardly by towing the line and trying to placate the media. They are ill informed as you know but you are still trying to keep them happy instead of actually representing the truth which is some people don’t use batteries right. I’d be far more worries about carrying around a LiPo pack device like alot of these regulated mods use than a tube with a single 18650 in it.
            I have done testing and its blooming hard to make a single battery go into thermal runaway. You are more likely to reach that point with a pair of batteries which help the reaction along.
            Please rep us with real information instead of what the media tell you.

          • Fergus Mason

            No you haven’t. Stop talking bollocks.

          • Ric Grove

            You sir are talking bollocks. Give me an answer if you are not. How many of these bullshit stories have you heard in the last 5 years?

          • Fergus Mason

            It doesn’t matter. This is an issue, whether you like it or not. I’ve seen at least half a dozen stories, and they are global news. If you really don’t understand how this gives ammunition to the people who want to ban *all* ecigs, I can’t help you.

          • Ric Grove

            You can’t help me? You aren’t helping anyone joining in with the media frenzy. Open your eyes sir if you are assuming some sort of representing position.

          • Fergus Mason

            So how would YOU suggest we deal with this issue?

          • Ric Grove

            Firstly realise it isn’t an issue. A handful of devices including regulated mods have failed in the wrong hands. Electronic devices fail sometimes. An ecig is no more prone to fail than a mobile phone. Dividing a community just because you and Dorn don’t use mechs is ridiculous. Sure noobs shouldn’t use them but get some perspective on how small the actual problem is.

          • Fergus Mason

            Yes, it’s an issue. Denial is not going to resolve it.

          • Ric Grove

            Nanny state grinds on me especially when it’s the manipulated media making it seem like a bigger problem than it actually is.

          • Beany

            A few small points:
            First, Fergus is aligned with Vapers in Power and more softly, with the New Nicotine Alliance (As a lot of us are, by association if not from direct contributions, assistance and a shared goal), who before they were called the VIP and the NNA, and before they were even a thing, were the bunch of people who made sure that e-cigs weren’t classed as medical devices only and outright banned, so people like Fergus are the reason you even *have* an e-cig in your hand in the manner you have it. Don’t forget that.

            Secondly, we’ve been here before with mouth to lung devices; you might notice that you don’t see very many mouth to lung oriented mech mods any more. Back in the day, they were de-rigour, as regulated mods at the time were a complete shitshow and utterly anaemic. Then 20 and 30w mods came along, and suddenly, mouth to long mechs were made redundant.

            But then again, mouth to lung mechs weren’t pulling 50A from a cell, and those using them were normally the absolute high end of power users, not regular joes – so back then, we didn’t have the problem of people blowing cells.

            Mechs are seen as fashionable these days, and we see more and more amateurs who can’t even tell you what Ohms law is using them – the most recent case in the press is a perfect example; he got the shop to do everything for him, from coil building, to pin clearance on his hybrid. When the shop stopped helping him thanks to the FDA regs, he did it wrong and it went *badly* wrong, because an 18650 going critical is a Thing That Happens, and these days, with the glamourisation of super subohm and mechs, it’s getting worse and worse.

            Third, if you can’t see why mechs are inherently more dangerous than regulated mods – as a concept – then quite frankly, you don’t have the first fucking idea what you’re talking about. It’s as simple as that. You are failing at basic chemistry and physics.

            A mech is a Caterham 7 R400 compared to a Nissan GTR.

            A Caterham 7 has no ABS, no traction control, no funky adaptive suspension – it’s entirely manual, effectively a 200hp, 450kg bathub on wheels – just an enginer, gearbox and a chassis – and can be dangerous to those who have no concept of grip, slip and how they interact.

            A GTR? A two ton, 600hp electronically assisted giant killler (which is somehow still an utter blast to drive), yet you could give the keys of a GTR to your granny and she could pop down to Sainsburies to pick up milk, not realising it can outdrag nearly anything available on the public road, and scare many a hypercar on a circuit – in the right hands.

            The GTR is a Releaux RX300 or similar regulated mod. The Caterham is a mech.

            The comparison is not invalid.

            The reason Fergus is concerned is because lots of imbeciles are buying Caterhams and rolling them backwards, on fire, into a ditch and making front page news, when they’d be much better off with a GTR – they’d get all the performance, with almost none of the risk.

            All we’re saying is, if someone wants a Caterham – let them buy them, by asking for them specifically and proving they have the aptitude and ability to use them safely – but don’t put them front and centre to the average user, who believe it or not, just wants the equivalent of a bloody Micra to get them off the fags. And for 90% of users, that is the case.

            So far, and based on the evidence and lack of context, likely unbeknownst to you, the public health world have tried to ban vaping based on the following:

            Harm to the user: Still an argument vaguely, and now used in carefully hidden specific, rather than absolute terms, but large scale metastudies from authoritative positions have finally said ‘no, this isn’t a thing to be concerned about compared to fags, and barely compared to not smoking’ – you don’t see any of the normal loons attacking meta-studies now because they know they have no traction there. Claiming that e-cigs are as dangerous as fags is considered full on, flat earth, howling at the moon levels of reality denial. Thankyou, NNA and VIP.

            Harm to bystanders: Not an argument at all any more, as there is not a lack of evidence of harm, but evidence of a lack of harm – a subtle, but important distinction. This is now longer a real issue, other than for flat-earther fuckwits like Glantz and Chapman, who are slowly losing their grip on things political, thankfully, which is helped by VIP and NNA spreading the word to politicians who would otherwise just listen to the Daily Mail.

            Find notable harm from nicotine to users: This has worked so badly, that there are discussions about refactoring the LD50 on nicotine so that it accurately shows the harms, which are far lower than believed (the original LD50 was essentially a work of fiction – literally). This has backfired so badly on the usual prodnosed fuckwits that they still can’t quite believe it, frankly.

            Find any harm to bystanders from nicotine: This has also utterly failed for the obvious reasons noted above. Again, VIP and NNA have been making sure this message reaches the corridors of power, which is why we’re slowly seeing a rollback of regs against the use of e-cigs in places like hospitals, etc. The scaremongering simply doesn’t stand up, because people like Fergus have been making sure that this message gets to people who have an impact, like the Welsh Assembly and Public Health England.

            The current strands are ‘think of the children’ and ‘battery explosions’, nee e-cig explosions; with regards to ‘think of the children’ we can reasonably show evidence that this is not the case (otherwise we’d have lots of non-smoking youth regularly vaping, but we don’t – it’s almost entirely former smoking youth, use among non-smokers is basically non-existant at a population level) – and hey, adults like sweet flavours too, oddly enough. This is rapidly becoming a non-argument.

            The potential of battery failures however (currently being described as ‘ecig fires’ with no distinction between mech, regulated mods and cigalikes) is not something we can deny with mechs, however, as they have zero safety features so as to minimise current loss at the coil – and that’s the whole point Fergus is making. This is happening too often now.

            They are *inherently* more risky than regulated mods because while a regulated mod will turn off after, say, ten or fifteen seconds firing in a pocket, will restrict the current drawn from the cells due to the nature of how these chipsets work, and *it will stop* before most cells will get close to going pop. Hell, if it’s temp controlled it probably won’t even singe the wick….but even a nonTC mod will, at worst, bugger a coil; it won’t cause the cells to vent.

            A mech, if the lock fails (or is accidentally left off, or if the coil is too low a resistance, or if the cell is getting a bit tired, or if the cell is fresh out of a high current charger, or if the cell is a cheap fake bought off FastTech….) will fire at the absolute highest maximum current the coil will allow, and *will not stop* until the either the coil burns out, the button is released, or the battery vents – and in the most publicised of cases, it’s the cell that vents.

            It doesn’t matter if 1000 times you just have to rewick, and ten times the battery vents – those ten times are the ones that get 250,000 shares on Facebook and get onto the front page of the Daily Mail, where frothing-at-the-mouth fuckwits will call for ‘ecigs’ (again, failing to make any distinction…) to be banned. And those cases are cited in parliament, in health departments and in policy meetings at the highest fucking levels – they don’t care that 95% of the time you manage to catch it and pop the end off; they care about what the tabloid reading cockwombles *think* they are doing to resolve a problem that isn’t actually that much of a problem. Three house fires a day are started by lit tobacco in London alone, but one e-cig goes pop and everyone loses their fucking minds. And in most cases, when it’s not a loose cell in a pocket, it’s going to be a mech mod.

            If you fail to see why this is a problem for the 90% of vapers who don’t use mechs and *just want to stop smoking* then that says far more about you than it does about ‘us’.

            Mechs are obselete in sub-ohm in these days of 300w regulated mods, just like they were in mouth to lung devices five years ago. The difference is, five years ago, they didn’t go off like someone had hammered a nail in the back of a shotgun cell, and got worldwide news coverage.

            Or, TL:DR, you don’t have any context for what you’re talking about, and badly need to read up on how policy is written in the public health world. You are approaching this problem with passion and belief, but bugger all context – which is something I’d rather accuse a public health prodnose of, than a fellow vaper.




            Now find me three stories from national news outlets, getting widespread coverage, of footage of late showing a regulated mod going pop when it was just sitting in someone’s pocket….I’ll wait…

            And again, 90% of these stories simply refer to them as ‘ecig explosions’ – so as far as the average drooling Daily Mail reader is concerned, a iStick 20w with a Nautilus is as much of a danger as a copper mech with a shitty clone cell and a 0.04 ohm coil.

            Steven R

          • Ric Grove

            I can’t be arsed to read your book above

          • Beany

            “I can’t be arsed to read your book above”

            And that’s why no-one will ever take you seriously.

          • Ric Grove

            Boom boom. Likewise Beany

          • Ric Grove

            Steven. Posket incidents are batteries and keys. Not mech mods

          • Clint Henry Espiritu

            Go and explode yourself Ric. Got off mechs when one of my batteries fizzed because of a defect in the mech mod.

          • Ric Grove

            Lol. Thanks for the technical explanation for the problem you had.

          • Joe Aaronson

            .3 ohm duel parallel 26 gauge kanthal on a mech, Sony vtc5a. No problems yet. Just use battery safety and common sense. Are motorcycles more dangerous than cars? Hmm.

          • Fergus Mason

            Yes, motorcycles are more dangerous than cars; basic physics tells us that. They’re less stable and give the rider less protection. To compensate, they have lower fuel consumption and better acceleration. Mech mods do not have any comparable advantages to compensate for the increased risk.

          • Ric Grove
          • Ric Grove

            It is a bit sad that it takes somebody else to actually find out facts instead of the person writing the article though. Maybe next time some homework would help you produce something with merit.

          • Ric Grove

            Mechs aren’t the enemy here. The media jumping on ecig exploding when it’s actually the batteries being badly used is what’s wrong.

          • Neil Robinson

            That is kinda the point of the article.

          • Ric Grove

            What is?

          • Neil Robinson

            “it’s only significantly higher if people don’t use them right.”

            Comment threading sucks.

          • Ric Grove

            If thats kinda the point of the article. Why is it being suggested that they shouldn’t be sold

          • Fergus Mason

            It isn’t. It’s suggesting that they shouldn’t be sold to just anybody who wants one. Nobody *needs* a mech any more, and most of those who buy them would be much better off with something else.

          • Ric Grove

            I’m sorry but that isn’t clear with statements like this:
            “But now it’s time for them to fade into the sunset. There is no place
            for mech mods any more, and I’d be much happier if they all disappeared
            from the shelves tomorrow.”

          • Fergus Mason

            It is, there isn’t and I would. However, as I clearly said in the article, that’s not a realistic goal at the moment. Therefore we need to do all we can to discourage people from buying them and, as much as we can, vet buyers to make sure they’re not going to people who’re likely to do stupid stuff with them – extreme sub ohm builds, and so on.

          • Ric Grove

            I agree people should be vetted in shops. There are people who don’t know what they are doing. But how do you stop people from buying them second hand and doing the same?

          • Fergus Mason

            I would discourage anyone from selling on mechs they don’t want any more. Best to bin them.

          • Ric Grove

            “I would discourage anyone from selling on mechs they don’t want any more. Best to bin them.” This comment is pretty flipant isn’t it?. I would discourage anyone from listening to comments like this.

          • Fergus Mason

            No, it’s not flippant at all.

          • Ric Grove

            It’s just as well nobody takes you seriously I’d say.

          • Fergus Mason

            Whereas your wisdom and expertise is in such demand?

          • Ric Grove

            I don’t write articles and pretend I know better. You seem to do both and are unable to fool many people with this junk and your attitude. You guys just keep patting yourselves on the back as most people are wise to your ninsense by now.

          • Fergus Mason

            I clearly know better than you. After all I’m not the one that disputes what people are saying despite, by their own admission, not being arsed to actually read it.

          • Ric Grove

            You keep believing that Fergus. Bless you.

          • Fergus Mason

            Belief doesn’t come into it; you admitted it yourself. Now go away and play with your shiny tubes.

          • Ric Grove

            Yes sir. I will. Thanks

          • Neil Robinson

            See my other comment here:

      • Chris

        Unfortunately I don’t sell anything anymore. My shop fell victim to a 40% tax in PA that would have required me to pay a retroactive 40% tax on all my preexisting stock. But I did in fact sell batteries. A proper case or sleeve was included with every battery or pair, and proper battery handling and charging procedures were gone over with every customer. There is no way to eliminate the chances of someone having a battery vent, but that risk can be mitigated. IMO, a great way to mitigate that is not sell devices that will fire into a dead short.

  • Alexander Wolfheart

    Libertarian, freedom of choice, and yet you bushit the crap out of your readers and try to manipulate prefferences.

    Yes, there are many idiots out there who do stupid things because of lack of knowledge and overconfidence, but that is mostly because of human nature. There are still many mech fans out there, and this is just not right towards them. Rather than making a manipulative, lying propaganda regarding mech mods, rant to shop sellers to not give any advanced vape gear to imbeciles. That would be more useful overall.
    Furthemore, if you had any knowledge whatsoever in physics and electronics, you would not make that Reuleaux statement/comparison. A regulated mod, especially a crappy, innacuratez easily breakable one as the one you mentioned will NOT give the same result as a mech mod, not even close. Then again, in half of your rant, you were talking about mods from 3-4 years ago, which are in no way as close to the quality and safety of nowadays mods. More so, a fan of mods would not buy a cheap knock-off from Fasttech that comes with massive flaws from the cloner’s factory. No, a fan would actually purchase an authentic, real product which would work as intended and lower the chances of failure to a dramatically small level.
    Then again, that is a statement coming from an entusiast which actually knows his stuff, not a blogger who’s trying to bullshit his ideas just because he does not like something anymore.
    Furthemore, an advanced vaper can play under 0.1ohms IF he has quality vape gear (and by that, I mean NOT fasttech clones) and high quality, high drain batteries (suc as Sony VTC4, VTC5A, LG HB6, HB4).
    Pointless paranoia and full disgrace of something because you dislike and some idiots manage to blow themselves up is not libertarian at all.
    Just stay on your regulated mods, enjoy them as you wish, and let mech mod fans enjoy their toys. We don’t need our own community stabbing us in the back just because their tastes are different.

    • Fergus Mason

      So what massive innovations have there been in mech mod technology over the past 3-4 years, then? Apart from the proliferation of hybrids, which are by far the most stupid and least safe devices on the market? And do you seriously think there’s ANY difference in safety between a clone mech and an original? There isn’t. The danger is in their inherent lack of safety features, not in whether or not it has an original serial number.

      • Alexander Wolfheart

        There have been made enough new safeties on them to stop them from shorting like your crappy Nemesis clone, but since you haven’t touched a real one, you wouldn’t know. Differenves between clones and authentics are quite big, especially in terms of precision, which, for safety, counts a lot.
        And again: in your little one sided brain does it really sound better to ban everything because of stupid people? Can your simple mind not think of better ideas that actually promote freedom of choice? Like, for example, instead of buying cheap knock-offs, get the authentic and read that little paper inside of the box /on the website that says they are only for advanced users, knowledgeable in ohms law, and so forth. Or at least blame the shitty employees which sold the product to a complete ‘Murican (I meant idiot, but nowadays they have become synonymous) if you don’t have the decency and honesty to accept that it is the person who purchased it at fault for not documenting itself beforehand.
        But no, your simple and easy choice is to just give up everything. Very libertarian.

        • Fergus Mason

          “There have been made enough new safeties on them to stop them from shorting like your crappy Nemesis clone”

          Nonsense. It is the nature of a mech mod that they have no safety features at all, and that goes double for hybrids. It is physically impossible to make a safe hybrid.

          “instead of buying cheap knock-offs, get the authentic”

          It doesn’t make any difference. Authentic or clone, it’s still a tube with a switch. The design has no safety features, and its clone status doesn’t affect that.

          “But no, your simple and easy choice is to just give up everything.”

          Did you actually read the article? Because it doesn’t sound like it.

          • Jamie Currier DeMan

            Not true, my mechs all have springs that collapse when a battery is pushed to far which cuts off the connection which prevents a short. There are mechs out there where safety was first in mind in their design.

          • Fergus Mason

            There is no mech in existence where safety was first in its design. If the designer put safety first they would not design a mech. As for your springs, they only start acting when something is already going wrong. Often it’s too late at that point.

          • Jamie Currier DeMan

            Not true either. Safety was first in mind in the designers mind. Not one explosion involving this type of mech mod. REO mechanical mod. The spring is designed to prevent exactly whats happening.
            I have no issue with your opinion on mechs, there have been some horrific injuries resulting from improper use. I just wanted to state that there are mechs in existence that are much safer than the typical mech.
            With the way things are going over here in the US people most likely will end up building their own mechs though so the number of mechs in use is going to rise. Americans are already stocking up on mechs in preparation for “vapepocolypse”.
            One thing mech users can say is that they’ll still be vaping when the last regulated mod in america dies. With the way things are going here this scenario isnt to far fetched.

          • Fergus Mason

            Yes, some mechs are safer than others; all are more dangerous than a modern regulated mod. You’re right about the USA though. Ridiculous regulations will force people to make their own gear, which will be less safe.

        • Pointydigit

          New safeties? I’m intrigued. What might these be?
          As far as I’m aware there are just two safety features in a mech mod: an insulator that separates the negative pole of the battery from the switch (and which provides for the ‘throw’ of the switch) and a locking ring (or, in some cases, a recessed switch. You might also find a floating positive pin, but I regard this more as a convenience than a safety feature.
          Precision doesn’t enter into it – either there’s a gap between the negative pole and the switch or there’s not. All you get from precision is nicer threads, smoother switches and seamless sections

          A great many mechs are fitted with magnets to provide a repulsing force for the switch. I remove and chuck these as a matter of course and replace them with a proper spring. They’re brittle and inclined to break – which may lead to an unlocked switch inadvertently firing.
          I guess you could always count a rice pin as a safety feature, as it prevents the piston from rotating…which may in turn lead to the contact pin unscrewing.
          But there are old hat features that have been there since day one…I’m keen to know what these new safeties are (assuming they’re not hot-springs).

          • Noe Fear

            I disagree about the magnets, I preferrred magnets to springs in my mechs, once installed they are unlikely to break & if they do, then are still going to provide the same repulsing force. Springs can & do wear out with use, the more you use them the softer the tension they have.
            Really this is more about personal preference than safety, if you maintain your mech, then you’ll know if a magnet or spring needs replacing.

            You left out vent holes, this is the primary “safety” feature, which some mech do not have properly incorporated. However this safety feature engages AFTER a battery has been pushed too hard, in a regulated mod, the battery is far less likely to get to that stage due to the circuitry protecting you & the battery.

          • Pointydigit

            A quick browse through the forums will tell you how often ring magnets shatter when the mod is dropped. It’s fairly common (it’s happened to me)…though it’s fair to say that most of them get broken while being handled (that’s happened to me too).
            I’m afraid you can’t rely on one or other of the magnets maintaining a sufficient repulsing force once cracked, due to the fact that the poles go apeshit once the ring is broken…and depending on how many fragments you have, you may have substantially less efficiency than before. That’s why I had to replace the magnets in one of my switches (which is also when I broke a new set), before deciding that the whole idea was somewhat dubious.
            And yeah, springs can go weak…but this rarely happens with any degree of rapidity.

            Good point about the vent holes – but unless these are very carefully designed and placed, they can be next to useless. The first thing a stressed battery does is swell up around its middle. Not such a problem if it subsequently vents at the end that isn’t now blocked from the vent holes…but pretty disasterous if it’s the other. Still, I’d rather have them than not.

            We’re still none the wiser about these new safeties though…

          • Fergus Mason

            I preferred magnets too, but realistically they’re a bloody menace. If they break the bits can end up anywhere, and they mostly consist of neodymium and iron – two rather good conductors. I don’t really want shards of highly conductive material wandering around inside something as electrically primitive as a mech mod.

    • Pointydigit

      There’s no reason why a Chinese knock-off should function, electrically, any worse than a bespoke mech mod. The very principle of a mech mod is that the electrical connection is facilitated by the simple means of moving one piece of metal so that it contacts another. You might gain some efficiency by using esoteric metals (such as silver) and by careful profiling of the connecting surfaces – but other than that a tube with a mechanical switch is a tube with a mechanical switch.
      I have bespoke mech mods…and I have Chinese mech mods. They work equally as well…though the fit and finish of the expensive mods are generally better.
      I’ve even made a few parts myself (switches/top caps/pins). It’s not especially difficult…which is what mech mods are all about.

      As for the main point of there being no further use for mech mods – I disagree.
      The vaping forums are littered with posts from vapers complaining about blown DNA boards and shonky electronics and switches…and while such gadgets provide functionality and, yes, enchanced safety features, they tend to do so at the cost of reliability and robustness.
      There are still a great many of us who prefer a mod that can take a drop or two, and who have little or no need or want for temp. control, set wattage and so on.
      With that said, I agree that vendors should be more clued up about the risks to their customers….but if we ban mech mods on the basis of a few ‘unfortunate’ vapers, what will we do when a regulated mod explodes?

      • Fergus Mason

        It’s not about what *we* do, unfortunately. It’s about what legislators will do, and battery safety seems to be the cause du jour for anti-vaping activists. Unfortunately, unlike diacetyl, formaldehyde and ultrafine particle cancer there is a real issue here, and it’s firmly centred around mech mods. They’re the only devices that, realistically, are going to explode in normal use.

        • Pointydigit

          I’m not so confident that mech mods are the only devices that might explode. We’ve seen a number of battery-related issues with laptops and phones from apparently highly experienced manufacturers – so it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that, sooner or later, someone’s going to screw up with a box mod.
          The big danger of that will be that it won’t be down to user error – it’ll be a defect in the manufacture which will affect every unit. It’ll make the current shitstorm look like a fart in a bucket.

          I get the gist of your point, and I agree that due caution is advisible when using mech mods (just as with power tools, ovens, kettles, hammers, saws, bleach, paracetomol etc etc)….but there must be hundreds of thousands of these things in daily use without issue, and I’m really not seeing enough evidence to suggest mech mods are a danger to the vast majority of normal users.

          • Fergus Mason

            You’re right; as I said in the article, they’re not particularly risky to *normal* users. The problem is they’re increasingly being used by people who think it’s sensible to push them to ultra-low resistances. I don’t care how much of an expert someone thinks they are; running extreme sub-ohm builds on a mech is inherently unsafe.

          • Pointydigit

            For sure, but is that enough reason to want them banned?
            It’s all very emotive to throw around words like ‘obsolete’ and ‘junk’, but in reality we’re looking at a miniscule percentage of the user base that can’t or won’t respect what are basic commonsense principles.
            The same can be said for those dorks who put bare batteries in their pocket. On that basis we could ban replaceable battery regulated mods right now.

            I completely accept that the vaping industry has more than hint of the wild west about it at the moment – and that no-one is being helped by ‘yo bro’ youtubers vying with each other to see who can be the biggest wanker – but TC has to shoulder their fair share of the blame. There’s an opportunity to get a ‘vape safe’ message across which has been eschewed in favour of…well, promulgating a complete load of Glantzianesque bollocks.
            It’s attitudes that have to change – not the freedom to choose ones’ toys.
            You can’t regulate for stupidity, and I really don’t see the mileage in encouraging the bansturbators to do so.

          • Fergus Mason

            I don’t want them banned. I want them taken off mainstream sale before the adverse publicity they cause gets *everything* banned. ANTZ don’t care about the difference between mechs and regulated mods; they just yelp, “E-cigs explode!!!”

          • Pointydigit

            I think, as i said in reply to another post, that’ll more or less happen anyway.
            If you look at, say, the mechs that Fasttech are selling you’ll see that many of the old favourites are no longer in production. I had to settle for a bright pink Stingray recently (shudder)…it was all they had left of what was one of their most popular lines.
            A spot of wet ‘n dry and a quick spin in the lathe will sort that.

          • Fergus Mason

            They’re definitely fading, but not fast enough. What worries me is that people who follow bellends like Rip think mechs are the way to go, and they’re exactly the ones who’re going to do something stupid.

          • Pointydigit

            I think you’ll get far more support for a ban on Rip Twatters than one on mech mods. And everybody wins. What’s not to like?

          • Lessifer

            I’m right there with you. My mechs will outlive any regulated mod on the market. I check my batteries regularly, my daily mod has a hot spring, I vape at 15-25w on 20A batteries. I also don’t have to worry about the chip in my mod frying and needing to be replaced, or my mod auto firing when it’s not in use.

            Tube mechs can explode if the battery vents, regulated mods usually won’t explode, they just catch fire… something people tend to forget. A few years ago all of the news reports were of regulated devices(usually ego or cigalikes) catching fire, mostly while charging.

            Of all the people I know who use mechs, none of them choose mechs because of their ability to fire insanely low ohm coils. Reality just doesn’t fit the agenda though, I guess.

    • Robert Fairrington

      How exactly do you propose shop owners test for imbeciles? How is it even possible to expect a shop to vet customers and decide if they are knowledgeable enough to safely handle a mech mod? Talk about exposure and liability. Since regulated mods came out I’ve advocated for their use and highly discourage anyone from using a mech mod, but if YOU want to use one, have at it. It’s just too easy a problem to avoid and a problem that is too frequently mentioned in the news and anti-vape crusaders. I think you missed the point of this article, and aside from you disagreeing with his opinion, mech mods will be cut when the FDA starts getting into the details of regulation.

      • Glen Appleton

        One method could be for the shop associate to require the customer to sign a liability waiver if they insist on purchasing a mech. This would have the affect of informing the customer that they’d better know their stuff, as well as remove most liability from the shop. If this were adopted by the majority of the shops, the ambulance chasing lawyers would lose interest in these incidents (which is where much of the publicity is sourced), and we’d also likely see fewer people opting to purchase mechs if they’re entirely responsible for their own well-being.

        Just a thought…

        • Fergus Mason

          That’s an interesting idea. It wouldn’t entirely solve the problem, because the lawyers are less of an issue than the health fanatics and vote-hungry politicians, but it would certainly help.

          • Glen Appleton

            Agreed that it wouldn’t solve the problem in its entirety, but then I don’t know of anything that would, including a ban. It’s just one method, within the scope of maintaining the free market, while addressing the issue at hand. It won’t stop the corporate media from twisting any story that comes across the AP wire, but it might curb the initiative for the customer to publicize their incident if the incentive of liability compensation (big money) were removed from the equation.

    • shawnhoefer

      I love my mechs. Both the clones and authentics in my collection get regular use. In fact, I have 2 more on order… both with hybrid tops.

      No amount of knowledge on my part, or your’s, will prevent a barely legal idiot with enough money from blowing themselves up. I agree with the author, it’s time for them to leave the mainstream.

      That doesn’t mean serious lovers of mechs can’t continue on in machine shops and garages…

      • Pointydigit

        If these regulated mods are as good as suggested then mech mods will go the way of the humble carto of their own accord.
        I mean, who buys an auto-firing 280mah battery these days? Who buys cartos (apart from me)? Cartridge tanks, anyone? Have you tried buying a decent MTL tank lately?

        If the market doesn’t want mech mods (and there are likely to be a fewer buyers after recent events), they’ll naturally drop out of circulation without the need for yet more red tape.
        It might also mean the demise of the Chinese clone and the resurgence of the crafted tube mod…and I might be able to make a few quid on the side.

  • Betty van Veenschoten

    Exactly my thinking! Great piece, thanks for that!

  • amelia

    ” I watched a news report about Andrew Hall that used an image of an eVic VTC – a regulated, safe mod – as the backdrop.” I think Joyetech & other bigger players need to start responding to stuff like this with lawyers. In a mature industry, firms would never tolerate the media conflating their safe products with risky niche ones they don’t make. Reporters will be more careful in reporting if there are consequences to getting it wrong.

  • Andrew Thompson

    Overbearing regulations like those coming from the FDA will see a lot more hobbyists making mechanical mods in their back sheds.

    The critics of e-cigarettes commonly say the vape industry is like the wild west – but most e-cig regulations look like the bedlam asylum by comparison.

  • Allan Kettle

    I have to agree to a point with your opinion here. Seems very well written. Unfortunatly as you state, mech mods are are problem in some peoples hands. I’ve been around for awhile and have seen the chamges in our products we use. I have learned ohms law and have preached and taught battery safety for about 4 years now. and please. at a 0.09 ohms with a full battery you would be pushing 196 watts not 75. so please don’t preach about ohms law and then be oblivious bout it. I understand the point you were making, but looking like you don’t understand it doesn’t do the article any justice. With most of these “battery explosions” I have seen around have had to do with either hybrid mods and loose batteries in pockets or purses. Once these New Hybrids came out, shit changed. You no longer had to worry as much about Ohms Law as you do with atty condition safety. I have not yet seen a blown up mech mod that had a bad build on it to directly short the battery (now I have not seen them all). The problems I have seen lies withing the condition of their RDA. We all who hve been vaping awhile know that the insulators wear out over time. Your positive pin starts to sink into your RDA. Don’t get me wrong, I think these New Hybrids ( I say new hybrids cuse the first hybrids were mods with atty’s built in them for those who didn’t know) are nice and have great potential. Yet most of our atty technology haven’t caught up to them (there is a few out there that are built without a positive pin that can sink in). I stopped bringing in Hybrids over a year ago to my shops because no matter how advanced you are, there still is that complatancy that most people have. No matter how many times we tell people to check their atty everyday bfor you vape to make sure it is still in good working order.They just think, it worked great last night. People are lazy, an the 10 seconds it takes to check is too much work. I own a few Hybrids that I absolutely love. Yet everytime I start to use it I check the atty before at the begining of the day. I want to bring in more mechs, those avid lyfe are so beautiful. I am torn though because of all the hybrids being made. Scary to me and my business, not because the mods are not safe, but because people are lazy and stupid. Now for regulated mods being superior…….. That is speculation. for regulated to do what mechs can do.. that is fairly true yet fairly false. I love my regulated mods. Love a .35ohms build on them. great for nice hits and good flavor. I do not put a low build on a regulated mod and I preach that in my shops. You can get more power out of a .35 ohms build than a .1 ohms build in a regulated mod with lss strain on the chip itself. PERIOD. At 200 watts in a 0.1 ohms build you are only going to 4.47 volts to your atty. now at 200 watts with a 0.35 ohms build… well… you don’t need 200 wtts. that puts you at 8.36 volts. Do the math and see whats a better range for your vaping pleasure. YET.. You will NEVER get the same HIT or FEEL with a regulated device as you do with a mechanical device. Thats where the line is for most mech mod users. The feel and enjoyment of the mech mod that can’t be duplicated. Now with the regulated mods being so much safer, I remember a few devices catching fire, continuously fireing, and just plain vent batteries out of no where. Remember thos IPV4’s.. they would just start fireing when you put batteries in them. Snow wolfes would eother start fireing out of nowhere or just shut off. Can’t remember which one that would just vent the batteries every so often. never seen any of these blowing out peoples teeth but all these devices can and do need more improvement.I can’t say I know what we should do i order to keep us all safe. But one things for sure, if you get a flat tire, most people won’t kep driving on it if they have a spare. Yet there are a few dip shits in the world that will.

    • Fergus Mason

      I usually run at around 0.35-0.4 ohms. There’s no need for very low resistance; it only became a thing in the first place because there was no other way to get more power.

      “You will NEVER get the same HIT or FEEL with a regulated device as you do with a mechanical device.”

      It’s just electricity. It doesn’t taste better because the battery that delivers it is in a hand-made tube.

      • Allan Kettle

        its not taste. its the hit. any true mech user can tell you that.

        • Fergus Mason

          Like how no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge? Oh wait, no, that’s a logical fallacy.

        • Noe Fear

          I used to use mechs exclusively, then I got one of the very first dual 18650 series mods, which I still have today (I also still have my mechs). Today I have an array of mods I can choose from but since getting that first dual battery mod, I have rarely even looked at my mech mods.
          The reason is very simple, I get a better hit from having more power delivered SAFELY & consistently, than I ever did out of a mech mod.

          The hit from a mech, with a fully charged battery, can be replicated with the same build & appropriate wattage on a regulated mod. However the hit you get with a mech will diminish as the battery runs down, not so with a regulated device, it will keep steadily providing that same hit until it decides to shut down & tell you the battery is low on power.

          There is NOTHING a mech can do that a high powered regulated device can not do better & safer.
          The only true reason to have & use a mech mod is for aesthetics, in other words because you like the look &/or feel of the mod in your hands.

          • Allan Kettle

            you are absolutely right “There is NOTHING a mech can do that a high powered regulated device can not do better & safer.” maybe it is just the feel in the hands and the feeling of the power diminishing as you take that nice long hit. Maybe it is a mental feel that makes it so wonderful. Either way, It is a feeling that you (well I for one) can’t get from a regulated device. Now don’t get me wrong, my everyday devices are regulated for everyday vaping. And not all regulated devices are the same as you must well know as to the same as every mechanical device has a different feel and hit.

          • Neil Robinson

            Every one of us has had mech’s at one point or another. The argument isnt that nobody should be using mechs. Its that they shouldnt be sold to newbies who dont have a clue how to use them safely. The responsibility for that has to lie with the vendors – theres no reason to display them or promote them. The people who WANT a mech will know where to get one, and good luck to them, I hope they thoroughly enjoy their purchase.

            Vendors should also realise that increasingly they are not only selling the mech, but the legal liability that goes along with it should the numbskull newb they sell it to turn it into a rocket.

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  • Jani Tiainen

    And Fergus Mason can fuck right off!

    Stop blaming cloud chasers for the problems with idiots blowing themselves up. Many of us know how to build within safe limits and still produce clouds.

    Don’t blame the mech mods, blame the idiots who can’t handle mech and blame the shops who willingly sells mechs to people who has no idea what they are doing.

    In this case it was the village idiot who didn’t know shit about ohms law, battery safety or mechs. For crying out loud, he didn’t even know the resistance of the build in the mod.

    I’m getting sick and tired of self proclaimed know it alls who thinks they have the answer to everything and points the finger in the wrong direction.

    Fergus Mason, go and sit on your Nemesis clone…..sideways….without lube!

    • Jani Tiainen

      The only thing i agree on is the need to build super low. Anyone building “super sub ohm” is a moron. Personally I don’t go lower than 0.15. On my series mech, I don’t go lower than 0.30 ohms.

    • Fergus Mason

      This is my blog. I’ll blame anyone I want for anything I like. As for cloud chasing, other people can do whatever they like but my personal opinion is that it’s childish, stupid and a huge source of negative publicity.

  • Ric Grove

    You are right. The world isn’t short of idiots but grouping all mech users together is an idiotic act so maybe you should use your power to educate instead of chasing a dream that you’ll ever be in power.
    The media is at fault here, not mech users.

    • nick meehan

      Tube mechs all the way!

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  • Neil Robinson

    People in these comments seem to be struggling with the basic premise of this post – that sales of mechs should be restricted to those who can demonstrate the expertise needed to use them safely. Nobody is trying to take your precious mech away – use them in good health. What the author is saying is that they shouldnt be sold to newbs who have been vaping for 6 weeks and have no idea what they’re doing. How can anyone argue against that?

    Every vendor who sells a mech to an idiot who goes on the blow themselves up harms the reputation of vaping as a whole, which impacts all other vendors. Thats enough to satisfy Mill’s Harm Principle – one vendors right to sell to whoever they want is harming other vendors ability to trade. I’m as libertarian as the next man, but nobody has a right to harm another persons sales through irresponsible trading.

    Those who already have the expertise to use mechs safely know where to buy them. Nobody is saying you cant get the latest, greatest peice of hand carved unobtainium and enjoy it as much as you like. Go right ahead. But they dont need to be in the display windows of your local vape shop next to the ego starter kits as if they’re the next logical progression, do they?

    • Ric Grove

      I agree.

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  • Paul Jones

    Quite right, ban mechs
    But why stop there ? Pointy scissors should be next

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  • slartibartfast the second

    The birth of many engineering feats killed people before they became safe. The motorcar killed many before safety of both car and road signs became the safety standard. In fact cars still kill … So let’s ban them too.

    Anything charged in the house can potentially kill.. mobile phones and laptops setting on fire unattended burning and killing people in their sleep. Let’s ban those too.

    Passenger Aircraft with all safety features still fall out if the sky..Not many ..But they do …Let’s ban them.

    Bridges collapse , dams burst, hell guns kill ..Let’s ban wars. Chemicals kill, red meat …And guess what cigarettes kill…1 in 2 people.

    And on and on and on…Vaping is safe ..But to make it safer we engineer and design it out..Because vape mods are literally engineered electric devices that can be made safe ..And continue to be made safer through evolution of engineering.

    So…Like the first model T ford car.. the mechanical mod will be seen as a liberator..A successful device designed by smokers to quit smoking ..That for as many faces being scarred by cheap imports and idiots using them..Is still far less dead than traditional smoking would have done..Probably saved a few lives.
    But mech mods are like the model T ford…We have moved on..And vape safely. And it will only get safer.

  • Sofia G

    Well said. I doubt the government would take the time to differentiate between regulated/mech mods, develop laws accordingly, and enforce it to prevent them from falling into the hands of inexperienced users. Instead, I wouldn’t be surprised if one day, people called for the banning of ALL mods just because they don’t know the difference. If that day comes, we’d be lucky to be able to convince them the problem lies with mech mods being misused. Personally, I cannot see any advantages to using a mechanical mod over a regulated mod. They’re both just drawing an electrical current from a battery, running it through a coil (resulting in said coil to heat up), vaporizing e-liquid. However, a mechanical mod lacks any and all safeguards against battery venting/short circuiting/accidental firing. If a time comes when we must choose between mechanical or regulated mods, regulated mods will come out on top. Why put yourself at higher risk than you need to? Sort of defeats the purpose of vaping. You might as well go back to cigarettes if you want a nice “hit” or “classic feel”.

  • I’m still pretty new. I’ve been vaping for six months and smoke free. I kept wondering why people would want unregulated mods. In fact a google search regarding why people would want one lead me here. I’m glad to have read this vindication of my belief.

    I met this kid this morning who said he uses a mech. He didn’t seem to know much about building coils because he said he has someone else do it. Then he said his device puts out over 100 watts on this build he uses and that didn’t seem right from what I had read. After reading this I can see that I was right.

  • Hannibal Lexter

    Jou crazy hahahaha keep on deaming..
    No more mech mods ?

    • Fergus Mason

      Yeah, they’re obsolete crap. Best if they just fade away.

  • I wound up getting a few different unregulated devices recently because I’ve gotten into squonking. I got the Pulse, a 3D printed single cell, and a cloned driptech. Even though I went into this very cautious and I always carefully check the stats on my builds and batteries, try not to over do anything, I still made a small mistake the other day that could have been a lot worse. No venting or anything, but I’m pretty sure I was close to having a major malfunction. In my head I was panicking thinking “I’m gonna be the next asshole who makes vaping look dangerous” and so on.
    This mistake was an accident. It sucked. What worries me even more than that though are the people who are willingly making stupid choices with their devices. Someone on Reddit was basically bragging about running a 0.07 ohm coil on their Pulse BF mod. Guy wouldn’t admit that he was being dangerous. All it takes is that one time where something goes wrong and it’ll be a major shitshow.

  • Trail Runner

    I could care less what other people do. If you make sure your battery is wrapped proper and don’t build to low. Absolutely no reason to build below .15. You will get a nice warm think cloud between .2 and .15. Mechs are great because you are more in control of the building aspect, so customization is basically limitless. If you know proper battery care and cross reference your build via ohms law calculator then you should be fine